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The Sylvia Plath Birthday Party - Shared screen with speaker view
Tamas, Dorka
01:43:17
Is that ok now?
Tamas, Dorka
01:46:44
Can you write in here now?
John Sweeney
01:46:48
yes.
Tamas, Dorka
01:46:53
cool thanks
Giulia Listo gi
01:46:55
Yes, it's working :)
Jenna Finan
01:46:55
yep!
Maria Rovito
01:46:59
Now I can
Kitty Shaw
01:49:47
I would like to ask if anybody thinks there’s a connection between the two panels we’ve already had - often witches use the idea of menstruation and connect it with power, and Eilish has talked about power in blood in Plath… is it witchy?
Tamas, Dorka
01:51:18
I am interested in Plath’s openness with her mother about her period. Was that something unusual at that time? Do you know about Plath’s “menstrual education”?
Sarah Corbett
01:51:54
It certainly is, reclaiming the female body and its power
Giulia Listo gi
01:51:56
I was thinking about it, Kitty. Mentruation blood is really important in Paganism and Witchcraft. Women would let blood flow over crops, which women nowadays do sometimes with house plants or menstrual spells.
Shelley Klaner
01:53:12
i think it sounds as if plath is hsp vs the pms from your descriptions. or at least both.
Maureen Boyle
01:54:07
Would commercial period products have been used in Plath's time or would she and her mother have had shared material or rags that were washed each month and shared?
Shelley Klaner
01:54:07
actually when i got my period at age 14 my mom never prepared me. my mom was a 1950s and 1960s housewife.
Peter K Steinberg
01:54:18
Plath's first period was when she was 16.
Angel Rosen
01:54:35
I have PMDD and it is no small battle. Since the very beginning, I have had to tell my mom how I felt, if I want to survive it. It's terrifying and no one should have to face it alone.
Shelley Klaner
01:54:42
they prob had the cord thing we used to wear around our waist with kotex
Maureen Boyle
01:54:52
OK
Shelley Klaner
01:55:24
i know my moms last name was kotai and she was teased when in school so that means in the late 40s or early 50s they had pads
Kitty Coles
01:55:24
Interested to hear how people think this relates to Plath's writings about 'barren women' - which for me are pretty abhorrent. I have read a hostility to menstruation in her works - as she opposes it to pregnancy/fertility which are positive for her.
Shelley Klaner
01:55:53
i did. i have two uterruses
Chris Baer
01:56:14
Hasn't Frieda Hughes stated that she suffers from pmdd?
Kitty Shaw
01:56:29
Is there a tendency to think of periods as the same for all people who menstruate, when in fact it’s a unique experience for everyone?
Shelley Klaner
01:56:55
i have friends who didn’t even notice their periods. was home sick
Harleen Dhunda
01:57:12
I don't think Plath suffered from pms or pmdd at all but yes she most definitely was a highly sensitive person and felt things too intensely and maybe her cycle impacted her to an extent but mostly it was just her personality that made her the way she was
Betty Doyle
01:57:51
I have loved this discussion, this is so important to my own Ph.D research. Thank you so much!!!!
Patricia Grisafi
01:58:24
I’m thinking of the scene in The Bell Jar when she has sex and hemorrhages - not uterus lining shedding menstruation, but actual bleeding
Giulia Listo gi
01:58:26
Exactly. It is such a personal and unique experience and the meaning of it also changes from person to person. Society tends to see it as "oh, ok, here's a pad and a chocolate" but it such a deep matter and so complex because you find positive and negative experiences, painful and painless experiences. It is such na unique thing.
Kitty Shaw
01:58:34
Harleen I think that’s a great perspective! I wonder if her lateness getting periods is connected to her habitually stressy, over-achieving nature
Kitty Coles
01:58:48
Yes, that's one of the remarks I was referring to in my comment above
Sarah Corbett
01:58:51
Great to talk about periods, they’re such a pain!! But shocking, really, that this becomes a way to think about a major poet…periods a sign of fertility surely
Patricia Grisafi
01:59:32
Plath also experienced a miscarriage
Betty Doyle
01:59:38
Great question Nick. Eilish and I talked about this topic on her podcast! The focus of my Ph.D is infertility and the social construction of motherhood in poetry, and I'm excited to watch this panel back when working on my thesis
Kitty Shaw
01:59:49
fertility, but also a painful reminder that some people’s bodies don’t want kids
Sarah Corbett
02:01:19
I’m waiting …not so patiently… for mine to come to an end
Kitty Shaw
02:01:41
Eilish - does being a NI woman and all the ongoing discussions influence your thoughts? Maria, you mention that the patriarchy is kind of a personal evil in your life - do you think the world you inhabit affects your perspective?
John Sweeney
02:01:43
Is there a historically broad misuse of her physical and mental health diagnosis by academics? As time, science and inclusive culture moves forward this seems to become more and more evident to me . Especially when we are only beginning to learn about mental health really.
Julia Gordon-Bramer
02:04:09
I’ve read “cut” as a menstrual poem in Fixed Stars Govern A Lufe
Julia Gordon-Bramer
02:04:18
*Life
Tamas, Dorka
02:04:34
Yes, Plath and self-harm is another big taboo topic… very interesting reading of “Cut”
Maria Rovito
02:04:55
“Toward a New Madwoman Theory: Reckoning the Pathologization of Sylvia Plath”
Kitty Coles
02:05:16
I think part of it comes from a desire to identify with her. Eg, if I have been diagnosed with x condition and someone I admire also had/may have had it, I have some connection with them and, as they achieved such and such, I too may be able to achieve something - and not be entirely limited by my illness
Maria Rovito
02:05:16
In Journal of Literary and Cultural Disability Studies
Angel Rosen
02:05:47
It's interesting to me to see this perceived as so anti-woman/anti-feminist, when I find it very validating to see Sylvia through the lens of PMDD. Since my period started, I wanted people to believe me and understand that it influences EVERYTHING I do, so it's not too absurd to me that someone else who may have had a bad experience with their menstrual cycle, may have had it influence everything they do, art/poetry included. To me, I don't see it as much of a "reduction" but as someone trying to understand & believe. Is this misguided, because perhaps I don't have enough information? I'm probably one of the least well-read here, but I am very passionate about PMDD & the discussion of it.
Sarah Corbett
02:06:09
Speaking from the UK I’m acutely aware of the very different kind of pressures women in NI are subject to
Patricia Grisafi
02:09:26
Today Facebook reminded me I touched Plath’s hair LOL
Anna Giulia Baldicchi
02:10:30
Excuse me, i have a question: i want to write my thesis on the theme of toxic masculinity in plath's poems and works, especially 'Daddy'. Do you have any advice about what books read for my researches?For example, how the relaction with her father and hughes has affected her life and her poems.
Betty Doyle
02:10:58
Thank you so much everyone, this has been so informative. I have to shoot off now but thoroughly enjoyed myself and I can't wait to catch up with the rest when the recording is made available!
Dave Haslam
02:11:44
I live close to Heptonstall. This was short film I made for Granada TV in 1988. The clip includes audio of Plath reading ‘November Graveyard’ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1l_caV_bdk
Harleen Dhunda
02:11:47
thats an interesting argument Angel and perhaps it's not inherently reductive to diagnose Plath with PMDD or depression... it's actually a possibility! but it is kinda reductive to say that it's all she was and that the illnesses the critics claim she may/may not have had pushed her to make the decisions she did because there are obviously many other factors that influenced her poetry and life choices
Chris Baer
02:11:53
I've been to the house in Wellesley, and Aurelia's grave and her grandparent's graves. And I've gone to Smith multiple times to research and look at her original works.
Sarah Corbett
02:12:18
I live in Hebden Bridge so I do visit her grave regularly. Had a very ‘woozy’ experience there once, when reality shifted for s few seconds…
Sarah Corbett
02:12:32
But that’s not that unusual for me hahah
Angel Rosen
02:12:39
That definitely makes sense, Harleen.
Kitty Shaw
02:13:23
If I have a bad day in London I often walk to her blue plaque, it makes the world feel somehow faceable
Maureen Boyle
02:13:35
My saddest sense of her was in an absence when I went to a big celebration of British Poetry in the Festival Hall in late 80s/early 90s and Hughes was there with Heaney and I was suddenly so aware that she should have been there too...
Giulia Listo gi
02:13:37
Hahaha my dream to live in Hebden Bridge. I visited her grave two years ago and it was really intense. And I came across 3 black cats in a row, which honestly felt so protective and wonderful. It took me days and days to believe I had actually been there.
Sarah Corbett
02:13:54
The weather is terrible…
Angel Rosen
02:14:11
I read "Electra on Azalea Path" at a small poetry reading at my former college last year on the anniversary of Otto's death. I could definitely feel the energy, that I was not unaccompanied.
Sarah Corbett
02:14:40
Put the Sylvia Plath Literary Festival in your diaries, Hebden Bridge October 2022
Giulia Listo gi
02:15:34
One thing I remember was that I found my first copy of Ariel lost between Magic and Pagan books at a used book store (which is even more unexpected because she was not at all known in Brazil back then). It is still my favourite copy.
Shelley Klaner
02:15:52
in my calendar. will make it happen
Giulia Listo gi
02:16:10
Already saving Money starting today, Sarah! I'll definitely go, one way or another!
John Sweeney
02:16:57
I get t Maria!
Angel Rosen
02:17:04
Thank you Maria! That makes a lot more sense to me.
Kitty Shaw
02:17:22
I think the chat ought to be recorded too so we all have a chance to go over it
Kitty Coles
02:17:35
Thanks, Maria. I can certainly identify with being diagnosed without consent!
Kitty Shaw
02:17:45
Do we know what Emily would have said, even briefly?
John Sweeney
02:17:57
We should do this once a month
Sarah Corbett
02:18:09
Great discussion, and a very important topic… we need to take about periods
Maria Rovito
02:18:14
Twitter: @maria_rovito
Chris Baer
02:18:17
Are we going to have a chance to say something at the end if we're not panelists? I have something i'd like to show the group that I made for Plath's b-day.
Maureen Boyle
02:18:24
Thanks so much - fascinating. Sorry I have to go now.
Kitty Shaw
02:18:44
John it would be great to see some of the other faces speak
Eilish Mulholland
02:19:02
twitter handle is @PlathandCo
Nick Smart
02:20:01
Thank you all for you comments and questions. We will try to deal with those that we didn't talk about in the discussion.
Kitty Coles
02:21:59
I jump every time someone says 'Kitty'. I think we Kitties are used to usually being the only one in the room!
John Sweeney
02:25:14
Red Balloon Cinema magnifique!
Sara García de Vicuña
02:26:37
I really can't imagine spending my honeymoon in... Benidorm hahaha
Kitty Coles
02:31:37
How does one get to go to an archive? Do you have to be an academic or are interested members of the public permitted?
Patricia Grisafi
02:32:00
The librarians at Harry Ransom Center are the BEST!
Sarah Corbett
02:36:55
Looking forward to reading Plath in Paris, and love the idea of re-imagining that moment in her life :)
Shelley Klaner
02:37:20
i did my research and presented power point oral speech for the humanities department at dominican university in california
Shelley Klaner
02:37:38
my plath identity has morphed
Julia Gordon-Bramer
02:37:51
I’m sorry to have to step out. I’ve loved participating and if I can rejoin later I will.
Sarah Corbett
02:38:02
There’s no one Plath!
Tamas, Dorka
02:38:53
Do you have any negative experience on writing about Plath? What are the challenges?
Amy Seibert
02:40:08
Have any of you ever met Frieda?
Kitty Coles
02:40:35
There's no one anybody, is there? Something that bothers me hugely is biographers pathologizing showing different facets of herself at different times in e.g. TBJ vs letters to Mrs Plath.
Chris Baer
02:41:11
I was literally on my way out the door to a reading Frieda was giving - when it was announced on the radio that Ted had passed. I thought 'even in death that man is messing with me.'. I missed my one chance that night.
Maria Rovito
02:43:18
Ha!
Maria Rovito
02:44:42
Yes!
natalie hurt
02:46:04
I wanted to ask Peter how he has found working on Assia Wevill, and if it has made him feel the same way as working on Plath? Has it been life changing too? Have your thoughts/ feelings on Plath changed because of your work on Wevill?
Peter K Steinberg
02:47:01
Excellent question, Nat. Thank you. I hope to answer it in this forum but if not I'll email you!
Cathy Earnshaw
02:47:17
Peter - What do you mean by avoiding literary criticism of Plath's work? Do you mean it puts you off appreciating what you value in Plath's life and work?
natalie hurt
02:47:33
Thank you Peter
Sarah Corbett
02:48:21
Also Gail’s book on Plath in Devon…
Peter K Steinberg
02:48:38
Cathy! I just mean mostly I'm not good at criticism. But I totally respect those that do.
Cathy Earnshaw
02:48:38
Dave - It's fascinating to hear your links between James Baldwin and SP!
Patricia Grisafi
02:48:40
Courtney Love got me into Plath when I was 12
Kitty Coles
02:48:46
Yes, I think there are so many echoes! Huge Hole fan
Shelley Klaner
02:49:08
wow and thats part of my research
Patricia Grisafi
02:49:13
So many, but Love totally took Sexton’s lines lol
Shelley Klaner
02:50:05
this is one thing i have been working on in my creativity work
Cathy Earnshaw
02:53:31
Is the Kirsten Dunst film of The Bell Jar still going to happen? It has been delayed so long… Is she still attached to the project?
Tamas, Dorka
02:53:54
Kristen droped out from the project as I know…
Peter K Steinberg
02:54:07
Dunst I think has dropped off of it, but there is still interest, from what I hear, about Dakota Fanning doing it.
Tamas, Dorka
02:54:07
Kirsten sorry
Cathy Earnshaw
02:54:15
Published in March 2019
Kitty Shaw
02:54:16
when she got pregnant she dropped out. Elle Fanning still attached
Cathy Earnshaw
02:54:21
https://lwlies.com/articles/the-bell-jar-sylvia-plath-film-adaptation-kirsten-dunst-dakota-fanning/
Shelley Klaner
02:56:15
i did backwards , saw courtney in hollywood at a private concert
Güneş Yıldız
02:56:23
Often times we use the biographical lens when analyzing Plath’s work. Do you think there are/have you ever encountered downsides of it? Is it possible that we miss out on some aspects of her work as we associate her writing directly with her experiences?
Shelley Klaner
02:56:50
i think it makes me more part of her work.
Cathy Earnshaw
02:57:06
Apparently TBJ will not be a film, but a TV series now: https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a28737351/dakota-fanning-kirsten-dunst-the-bell-jar-tv-show/
Kitty Coles
02:58:26
Plath and Woolf is a pairing for me
Sarah Corbett
02:58:37
ditto
Giulia Listo gi
02:58:43
I really enjoy some creative responses to Plath because they kind of show, as Gail said, how universal her work is. And I actually write lots of creative responses to her. I think it evokes some feelings that I want to channel while writing.
Giulia Listo gi
02:58:50
Yes, Woolf <3
Sarah Corbett
02:59:47
H.D also uses the metaphor of the bell jar
Nick Smart
03:00:32
Plath and Bowie is my pairing.
Patricia Grisafi
03:00:46
I’m so sorry to shill, but this book has some cool responses to plath’s work: https://www.clashbooks.com/new-products-2/tragedy-queens-stories-inspired-by-lana-del-rey-sylvia-plath
Kitty Coles
03:01:07
Was about to say Plath and LDR
Sarah Corbett
03:01:10
I’m more than a bit in love with H.D. tbh
Giulia Listo gi
03:01:14
Someone who kind of evokes similar Plath energies to me is Florence Welch. Many of her lyrics give me a similar feeling. Not exactly the same as I feel about Plath but still, it hits a similar place within me.
Kitty Coles
03:01:28
Also Plath and Taylor Swift
Chris Baer
03:01:47
Amy Lee of Evanescence....
Shelley Klaner
03:01:48
i did things like buy the joy of cooking volume she had
Tamas, Dorka
03:01:51
Do you think she had a good taste?
Chris Baer
03:02:20
I have a copy of The Ha-Ha - b/c it's one of the books she read at the end of her life.
Shelley Klaner
03:02:21
i didn’t like the plays as i promoted many plays in the bay area and never loved theater
Sarah Corbett
03:02:25
I think she had a great aesthetic sense …the way she dressed…she knew how to dress
Sarah Corbett
03:02:46
And her feeling for colour …interiors
Kitty Coles
03:03:02
love The Ha-Ha
Sarah Corbett
03:03:11
It was a place to make money from writing tho too?
Chris Baer
03:06:13
Plath would have been the queen of the selfie!
Sarah Corbett
03:06:14
Yes, Plath would have loved social media!
Patricia Grisafi
03:06:33
I think so, Dave! She’d have a perfect Instagram!
Tamas, Dorka
03:06:33
I think so too.
Kitty Coles
03:06:42
Absolutely!
Kitty Coles
03:06:55
Her dinner!
Tamas, Dorka
03:07:12
baby pictures
Kitty Coles
03:07:44
Flat lays like her collages
Giulia Listo gi
03:08:00
I find it validating that she was interested in both shoes and looks and her writing. As people who identify as women, we are often discriminated for worring about both things. You either should be the serious academic writer or the feminine princess, and I find it so validating that she understood both could be valid and important to her.
Chris Baer
03:08:03
Although the literary landscape has changed so much. So many ways of submitting to literary magazines etc. have changed since just the 90's. She would like that -although i'm not a huge fan of it myself.
Güneş Yıldız
03:08:13
Definitely cakes.
Shelley Klaner
03:08:24
she would have been an over poster like me. pcs of all those hearts she painted on the baby furniture
Sarah Corbett
03:08:35
Shed have been appalled at how little poets earn these days
Patricia Grisafi
03:08:39
Her onions! All the veggies in the garden. And the bees.
Shelley Klaner
03:08:44
the yeats plaque
John Sweeney
03:08:54
Amazing afternoon everyone. Thanks so much. Stay well. Especially Kitty and Dorka Thanks.
Patricia Grisafi
03:12:25
Where are the Rosentstein papers?
Sarah Corbett
03:12:29
Can you give an example, Gail, not got to that bit of Red Comet yet…
Peter K Steinberg
03:12:38
THey are at Emory
Patricia Grisafi
03:12:44
thank you
Peter K Steinberg
03:12:48
My pleasure
Kitty Coles
03:13:43
Peter, how do you get access to an archive?
Peter K Steinberg
03:14:19
Archives are open to all, so it's just a matter of planning a visit (in normal times) or hiring a research proxy to do the work for you.
Dave Haslam
03:14:29
Thank you for listening and letting me a part of that panel. My book about Plath in Paris is available here; https://www.confingopublishing.uk/shop
Kitty Coles
03:14:31
Thank you!
Sarah Corbett
03:15:03
Thanks everyone, fascinating discussion
Peter K Steinberg
03:18:14
Kitty please do email me if you have more questions about any Plath archive: peterksteinberg@hotmail.com
Kitty Shaw
03:18:37
… and now I have the same thing Kitty had earlier :’)
Kitty Coles
03:19:06
Thank you, Peter. Just having a look at the list of archives on your website
Shelley Klaner
03:20:40
so am i. k
Shelley Klaner
03:21:24
hope she likes the dress i picked for her. hope it fits by bday 90.
Güneş Yıldız
03:23:39
I’m a high school student, and I’m excited!
Nick Smart
03:23:57
I'm loving checking out everyone's bookshelves! Spotting books I have and some I need to get!
Shelley Klaner
03:24:04
write like a journalist, 12 year old level
Shelley Klaner
03:24:11
what i was taught
Shelley Klaner
03:24:57
ha nick smart. can you see mine?
Nick Smart
03:25:44
I can, Shelley, but not quite clearly enough to identify!
Shelley Klaner
03:25:57
okay. watch now.
Nick Smart
03:26:35
Great collection!
Nick Smart
03:26:44
I saw GNR in 1992
Shelley Klaner
03:27:46
ha. yes ii am a music writer as well. been published internationally
Patricia Grisafi
03:28:25
id love to know more about plath’s perfume
Nick Smart
03:28:31
Extremely cool. Alice Munro! Love her!
Kitty Shaw
03:28:33
marilyn monroe famously slept naked except for chanel no 5
Shelley Klaner
03:28:38
i know slash, duff mckagan and matt personally
Sara García de Vicuña
03:29:06
Revlon can be found in Spain for example, though maybe we don't get their full collection
Kitty Shaw
03:29:28
We have Cherries in the Snow in the UK but I couldn’t find it in Germany
Shelley Klaner
03:29:41
i tried to order online but it was there but not available. got at a deep discount store (target)
Giulia Listo gi
03:30:06
It took me years to find Cherries in the Snow here in Brazil but they finally started selling it here (and of course I use mine all the time)
Jenna Finan
03:30:28
I should have looked for it when I was in Ireland! Next time I will be on the hunt
Nick Smart
03:31:54
I've PMed you on Twitter, Shelley. :-)
Shelley Klaner
03:34:12
ha
Shelley Klaner
03:34:33
i just answered
Peter K Steinberg
03:35:44
The clear beer of Vienna, I hear, isn't very pure or true.
Kitty Coles
03:35:58
Think it's also Kate Moses who wrote the article about Plath potentially being an alcoholic?
Chris Baer
03:36:53
I had a friend in college who insisted Plath was an alcoholic. I used to argue with her about it all the time.
Shelley Klaner
03:37:31
i saw she liked gin
Shelley Klaner
03:37:53
do people still drink sherry?
Gail Crowther
03:38:10
Sherry is ACE
Shelley Klaner
03:38:23
never have had. hmmmm
Peter K Steinberg
03:38:24
I've been working on a blog post on Plath and Sherry.
Chris Baer
03:39:03
I always found Plath being a smoker so incongruous.
Kitty Shaw
03:40:30
I like sherry but not harvey’s bristol cream
Patricia Grisafi
03:41:15
can’t wait to see it peter!
Patricia Grisafi
03:41:30
i drink sherry at my in-laws when we’ve been there too long
Patricia Grisafi
03:41:41
it’s all they have
Kitty Shaw
03:41:43
it’s a very christmas drink
Giulia Listo gi
03:41:55
I don't even think we have sherry in my country but I'm so curious about it
Chris Baer
03:42:01
I've never had Sherry. But I do know that Dutch Chocolate Vodka is quite nice.
Dave Haslam
03:42:09
She aspired to ‘live in the moment’ but seemed a bit constricted by social conventions and even more by her personality. One aspect of her drinking seems to have been a short cut to that kind of levity and spontaneity.
Sarah Corbett
03:42:17
Port is much better drink…but if you ever go on a writers retreat at Hawthornden Castle, you get sherry at 6 pm every day
Shelley Klaner
03:44:05
its prob like an after dinner drin
Shelley Klaner
03:44:07
k
Kitty Shaw
03:44:25
Plath would have been an old woman drinking sherry by now though!
Kitty Coles
03:44:26
Pre-dinner for my grannie and parents
Dave Haslam
03:44:44
Bristol Cream. It was a pre-dinner drink. By the mid-1970s it was not a drink young people ever drank!
Sarah Corbett
03:44:56
Old ladies drink now! But would have been seen as a upper class drink in the the 50’s
Sara García de Vicuña
03:45:02
I've tried some cocktails with sherry and for sure not my fav hahaha
Sara García de Vicuña
03:45:12
I think Sylvia now would enjoy pink gin!
Shelley Klaner
03:45:34
i want peters
Shelley Klaner
03:46:09
its words right
Kitty Shaw
03:46:18
I totally agree - I think she’d have a gin library, like marmalade flavour and a pink one
Kitty Coles
03:49:07
If we have e.g. 'moon' and you read 'moons' does it count?
Kitty Shaw
03:49:22
Chris - thank you for bringing your cat onto camera!!!
Nick Smart
03:49:32
I'm just loving hearing the poetry!
Kitty Shaw
03:49:53
Kitty yes - s / ed etc count
Nick Smart
03:49:57
Nobody call bingo - let the poetry continue!
Chris Baer
03:51:11
I didn't do it....not like me but I didn't get to it.
Shelley Klaner
03:51:38
I’ve got four
Giulia Listo gi
03:51:42
I feel like I missed so many words already hahahah
Nick Smart
03:51:44
Next one to get a word wins!
Giulia Listo gi
03:51:48
I got 8 so far
Kitty Coles
03:51:51
13
Shelley Klaner
03:51:57
they have to be bingo right
Shelley Klaner
03:52:14
i have two columns close
Kitty Shaw
03:52:42
angel thank you for the dog too!!
Giulia Listo gi
03:52:54
I got 11 now
Shelley Klaner
03:53:11
i thought we are doing bingo not count
Shelley Klaner
03:53:25
but i am close on three columns
Nick Smart
03:53:27
Well done, Kitty!
Kitty Coles
03:53:30
Oh, gosh! Do I need to show you proof?
Giulia Listo gi
03:53:30
I feel like I probably missed many the words I had
Giulia Listo gi
03:53:40
Congrats, Kitty!!
Patricia Grisafi
03:53:44
Congrats!
Chris Baer
03:53:49
Very good job!
Kitty Coles
03:53:58
Thank you so much!
Güneş Yıldız
03:54:00
Congrats!
Shelley Klaner
03:54:03
fun
Dave Haslam
03:54:10
Thank you Dorka and Kitty, lovely evening.
Patricia Grisafi
03:54:17
Thank you Dorka and Kitty!!
Jenna Finan
03:54:20
Thank you all!
Shelley Klaner
03:54:20
hoping my dress fits me for the 90t
Kristina Zimbakova
03:54:22
It was great.
Güneş Yıldız
03:54:23
Thanks, everyone!
Giulia Listo gi
03:54:27
Thank you so so much!